Curse

Kanyatta · Jul 04, 2008, 03:45 PM // 15:45

All should be removed. GW was advertised as a no-grind RPG and they've completely fallen away from that by adding... grind.

Sir Owns Alot EP · Jul 04, 2008, 03:45 PM // 15:45

I think we can all agree that Survivor, when people actually kill stuff instead of just doing Boxing, is a blight upon any PUG.

Chico · Jul 04, 2008, 03:48 PM // 15:48

Gamer and Legendary Defender of Ascalon.
Gamer because you can't progress except on very few special occasions.
LDoA because it derives from an exploit, not because it takes long to complete.

Trub · Jul 04, 2008, 03:51 PM // 15:51

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Originally Posted by Sir Owns Alot EP

I think we can all agree that Survivor, when people actually kill stuff instead of just doing Boxing, is a blight upon any PUG.

Right thar.
I don't go out on 'kill a troll, save a PuG' helping hand missions as much because, there is usually 1 or 2 trying for a survivor title in the group.
You want me to help keep you alive???
Sorry 'survivors'..that's just selfish and rude on your part.

MMSDome · Jul 04, 2008, 03:53 PM // 15:53

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Originally Posted by SaucE

I say none. If we didn't have them, what would we all have being doing for the last 6 months to a year? People keep going on about the grind and money sink, who said you HAVE to get them? You CHOOSE to grind them out to have them.

<3 this post

Hope everyone read this because it should be a thread ender.

Asplode · Jul 04, 2008, 06:41 PM // 18:41

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Originally Posted by Tender Wolf

Legendary Defender of Ascalon
Legendary Survivor
Commander
Gladiator
Hero
Champion
Guardian
Vanquisher
Legendary Master of the North

So those are my thoughts. I only chose the PVP ones because I don't play it and don't really like it when I do. And I hate hard mode with a passion, which is why those were included. I wish if they have to have hard mode they'd make it not so "hard." Legendary Survivor is such a pain to get and sooo frustrating if you die so close to the title. And LDOA? Don't get me started, who wants to death level and do all that grind? Sure it's great to have but still. What does everyone else think?

I really can't see the logic behind disliking titles to a point where you wish they didn't exist, especially if the reasoning is simply "I don't play this so it should be gone". If you don't like a particular activity you can simply choose not to partake of it, no?

Personally, I find titles are an interesting way to gauge how much time you spend doing each thing in your time spent in GW. As far as having a title you want to show off to other people go, I don't really see a point in it at all.

The only reason I'd wish certain titles didn't exist would be so that it would funnel players away from simply 'farming' an activity for a title, and rather focus on the enjoyment of an activity as its sole reward. Things like the gamer and lucky/unlucky title, treasure hunter and double Fame/Champ/Glad title tend to congest the areas where these titles are farmed which actually has a direct impact on other peoples' gaming experiences.

As a final comment, as a person who cannot find enjoyment in grinding out titles it feels somewhat disheartening when it's announced that your titles in GW1 will have some kind of impact on your GW2 account. It basically means I would have to do something unenjoyable in a game simply to be be at even-footing with other players. Then again, it's been like this since PvE skills have been introduced into the game, and to a lesser extent the impact of your titles in key retention and salvage rates (thank god for perfect salvage kits ^_^)

Hyper Cutter · Jul 04, 2008, 06:54 PM // 18:54

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Originally Posted by Sir Owns Alot EP

I think we can all agree that Survivor, when people actually kill stuff instead of just doing Boxing, is a blight upon any PUG.

I still don't know why they haven't reworked Survivor to be "get X experience without dying" instead of "get X experience without dying, but if you die once you can never get the title EVER".

Mahanaxar · Jul 04, 2008, 06:59 PM // 18:59

None. I like a title? I go for it.
I don't like a title? I don't go for it.

And hard mode being too hard is one of the most stupid thing I've ever read on these boards. Sure, HM can be really frustrating but guess what? Don't like it? Don't do HM. It's that easy.

Threads I wish didn't exist is a different story. This one is a prime example.

Div · Jul 04, 2008, 07:51 PM // 19:51

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And I hate hard mode with a passion, which is why those were included. I wish if they have to have hard mode they'd make it not so "hard."

Sucking less is key. It's really not that hard if you know what you're doing. Before the introduction of ursan/imbagon, those titles show that you've spent the time and are marginally skilled enough to finish HM stuff.

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Originally Posted by Tender Wolf

So those are my thoughts. I only chose the PVP ones because I don't play it and don't really like it when I do.

Do you hate PvP for the same reason you hate hard mode? Because it's too hard?

Innocent · Jul 04, 2008, 08:10 PM // 20:10

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Originally Posted by Taurucis

All of them.

Guild Wars wasn't meant to be a game where you grind ranks, it was supposed to be skill > time.

Instead of all those titles implemented, Anet should have fostered pvp more.

Fixed.

Tooshortnow?

Shuuda · Jul 04, 2008, 08:14 PM // 20:14

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I say none. If we didn't have them, what would we all have being doing for the last 6 months to a year? People keep going on about the grind and money sink, who said you HAVE to get them? You CHOOSE to grind them out to have them.

Quoted for the truth. It's not A-nets fault that you people are idiots who choose to grind over having fun.

Kusandaa · Jul 04, 2008, 08:28 PM // 20:28

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Originally Posted by Shuuda

Quoted for the truth. It's not A-nets fault that you people are idiots who choose to grind over having fun.

I've said it in other threads before, but not everyone have the same idea of "fun". I'm an idiot because I'm actually having fun maxing titles?

I don't do it to boost my epeen - if I want to get something I'll find it worthwhile to do, if I don't wanna get it... I just don't. Reason why I don't have FoW armor for my assassin, I don't like it. Why in hell would I get it... hold on. To please someone else?

Yeah. Right. People do it I know, but I surely won't get something that takes 200 hours to do BECAUSE it's the leet thing to do. If I don't like it, to hell...

Shuuda · Jul 04, 2008, 08:33 PM // 20:33

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I'm an idiot because I'm actually having fun maxing titles?

I'm prepared to question that if you actually enjoy repetitive grinding over something challenging, intelligent, interesting, and actually rewarding.

Kusandaa · Jul 04, 2008, 08:41 PM // 20:41

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Originally Posted by Shuuda

I'm prepared to question that if you actually enjoy repetitive grinding over something challenging, intelligent, interesting, and actually rewarding.

Depends what you call challenging, intelligent, interesting and actually rewarding. If you mean PvP I don't find interest in killing people because I'm not competitive for 2 gold. I don't care for winning too much, so glad points, champ points, commander points... don't care. PvE wise, titles were the only things I hadn't done.

I don't care what others do to have fun in this game, I don't see why other people should care about what I do. You find PvP fun? All the power to you. You prefer PvE? Go for it.

xarchitect · Jul 04, 2008, 09:22 PM // 21:22

Some people enjoy grind, just look at the success of WoW. Before titles were added, these and other forums were riddled with people wanting the level cap raised. Titles were an easy way to introduce the feeling that a character is developing without forcing the experience on others.

I suspect that the 4,000 anti-titles posts have driven ANet to gear the GW2 PvE experience to one without a level cap. GG anti-title whiners, now you get levels to grind instead of some useless words below your name. I actually found titles to be an elegant solution to give people who seek the grind process something whithout taking anything away form eveyone else. How about next time, less whining and more just letting people play the game in their own way when it doesn't hurt you.

So what titles do I want out? None of them, they don't affect my game experience in any way unless I choose to pursue them.

R.Shayne · Jul 04, 2008, 09:37 PM // 21:37

"Titles I wish didn't exist"

ALL OF THEM

Do I really need to say more?

Shuuda · Jul 04, 2008, 09:53 PM // 21:53

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Some people enjoy grind, just look at the success of WoW.

People who play WoW pay monthly for cartooney looking grind, there's no word in the English language that describes how stupid that is.

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PvE wise, titles were the only things I hadn't done.

Move on? There are more fun PvE games out there an GW.

Magikarp · Jul 04, 2008, 10:07 PM // 22:07

titles should die. take em' out and put new weapon/armor skins in plz

Yichi · Jul 04, 2008, 10:10 PM // 22:10

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Originally Posted by R.Shayne

"Titles I wish didn't exist"

ALL OF THEM

Do I really need to say more?

no, you do not

Lol Irish · Jul 04, 2008, 10:22 PM // 22:22

Everyone says LDoA should be removed, but remember the title was implemented after the game came out. The designers never planned for it, it just sort of happened because they found out some people were grinding to get to level 20 in pre-searing. So the developers decided to make the title for the people who spent all that time accomplishing something. To be honest I think the title is ridiculous and I would never go for it, but people are different.

As for title that should be removed, I don't think any of them should be removed; however, that is not to say some of them could use some remodeling. For example the Gamer Title, in all its prestige, should be something people are able to achieve all year round, not just during special events.

Personally I would like to see more titles introduced to Guild Wars; however, with the current state I doubt if it will ever happen. You never know though.